9Dragons forum : TABULA RASA

http://phpbb.acclaim.com/9dragons/viewtopic.php?t=119360&start=45&sid=aec4fc0b822b48bdb8c63e61fa4633f7

Yesterday an episode from “stunts laughters” happened on 9dragons forum: the webmaster succeeded to erase,  in proportion of 80%, the guides of veterans and Acclaim team, forgeting “back-up” function OFF . In the beginning he notified the players :

We removed 102328 posts from General Discussions

The oldest post in General was 1212 days old.or 3 years, 3 months, 24 days old.or 104,716,800 seconds old.or 1,745,280 minutes old.or 29,088 hours old.or 173 weeks (rounded down) old.

I’m still doing some cleaning… but I wanted to get the big task done first.

Some showed “skepticism” from the start.Some jumped with big praises to  Historian: “good job”,” congratz” and that scream of kissing some part of body, which I consider an insult to human intelligence. Than, the bomb came :

szergi :

Omg! Where is that sticky guide with all the good links to quests, items, epithets, etc from the tips and guide section? o.O

jako1988

Why is it that the acclaim’s cure to problems always seems to be worst than the problem itself? We need our guides back Exclamation

seeannuhh come with the idea to repost it, but arashisenshi said:

You are aware, aren’t you, that the bulk of the guides in that section was made by players and even VGMs who aren’t even around anymore…

Another idea came, again, from the lead of VGMs :

seeannuhh :

Yes, I understand that. But then, doesn’t that mean we can have updated guides?

Bella, if you play this game you should know that most of guides are static, the quests are fixed, which does not require updates. This is another proof that one of the moderators and the leader of VGMs have no idea what’s happening in 9Dragons. Even worse is that, seeannuhh did guides from Verse avatar . I don’t know what she had in mind when she replied that, ( maybe to keep the honor of Historian, who failed another task) but the answer is worth of animal kingdom reason.

After, we have a “smarter” line  from [VGM]Kami :

Pretty nice… Job nicely done TheHistorian…

Today, I came from work and guess what, 9D forum wasn’t lagging! xD

I can only say Thx a bunch, TH lol

About the guides… Yeah well, that was a downside… Now it’s time to create new and better guides, guys! Smile
Now, old veterans that are still around can prove what they are worth, hey?

Good luck, everyone! Smile

Are you sure you have the legal age to work ? I see some pinky words in there  : ” xD”, ” Thx a bunch”, “TH lol”, “hey”. This kind of language is labeled by spin doctors as an emotional language of a “color character” . Some short “words, typos” after certain phrases, has a specific meaning in addressing.

Historian stood and expected players reactions, after which he posted a reply:

Hey everyone.

I only removed posts from the “General Discussions” and “Players Helping Players” forums. It seems that not all of the Guides had been moved to the “Tips and Guides” forum and those that were left in the “Players Helping Players” were deleted.

I am sorry about that. We can look at this as a great loss… or as an opportunity to make the lost guides even better (and get them in to the right forum Wink). In order to be deleted it must not have had any posts to it in more than a year, so they could have needed to be updated anyway.

It also gives our Veteran players a chance to help the new players as well.

This is a reply to exonerate, but is a bad one. First, in addition to GD, Historian remembers PHP, though in his first post he said that, others will follow. The topics in Tips & Guides of course were removed, didn’t removed by themselves (or maybe you believe in ghost stories, in this case virtual ghosts that make things disappear).

Well, when Acclaim is wrong, it’s never their fault and no one is taken into account. Instead, when it comes to “others”, locked, delete or ban is on the agenda. Who was wrong, must pay, including professional ( in others company messing like this, shorts the pocket with 10-15 % pay, for 90 days). How others said making a guide takes working days. What veterans he speak off ? 90% of the accounts as someone said are dead or baned. After he baned so many people he asked help from them.This is karma…

After a while, Warda came to his rescue and hold  a helping hand for Historian, who said ( switch the degrees) :

“Thank you Warda, as I said… I’m sorry about the guides. My comment about some of the guides possibly needed an update was due to the age of them.”

arashisenshi made losses calculation: 80% gone, not outdated.  The debate still continues in that “box” of forum.

The certainty is that someone from Acclaim (particularly Historian) was wrong and this time is more than visible, is a mistake that affects the community. Tips & Guides is a section frequently visited and one of the reasons why the 9dragons forum is visited.

Beyond these issues, we got one that is legally. Deleted threads may contain banned grounds for forum accounts. As these topics are gone (no back-up) , now I am curious as proof what they can show ( in real life we don’t have 30 days to prescribe a deed). Any company that develops online activity is required to have back-ups to all dates. A forum is some kind of archive. In real life the actual documents ( records of conversations  & others) are stored in an archive, for many, many…years.

In the end, I hope people like VGM [Kami] who come on boards and give  indication to others, to seize the restoration of guides. “Can prove you worth, hey?”… As for my guides, if I have time I will repost it.

…Maybe next time Historian ‘accidentally’ deletes’ the accounts database …

PS : Till the guides are reposted check this page :

http://9dragons.mmosite.com/

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24 responses to “9Dragons forum : TABULA RASA

  1. ………{{{{…….Beyond these issues, we got one that is legally. Deleted threads may contain banned grounds for forum accounts. As these topics are gone (no back-up) , now I am curious as proof what they can show ( in real life we don’t have 30 days to prescribe a deed). Any company that develops online activity is required to have back-ups to all dates. A forum is some kind of archive. In real life the actual documents ( records of conversations & others) are stored in an archive, for many, many…years…………………………….}}}}..

    simply epic

  2. i read the article carefully. honestly, i don’t go much on 9d, nothing to see there i did not know that Historian could be so stupid enough to delete the guides. operation of cleaning the forum is a great fiasco.i am sorry to see the work of so many veterans gone and someone so ignorant and insignificant as Kami to come and give lessons.

  3. Bugger indeed. I upload my guide again, slow but with confidence. I still cannot figure it out how cleaning Gen Disc, Off Topic and Marketplace areas lead to deletion of over 30 guides in Tips and Guides. I bet Warda was pissed.This will remain a mistery.
    The only thing that is actually bother me is that, NOT the players must do this guides but the game staff that have all the tools and information at their disposition but instead of doing it, they just make remarks like [VGM]Kami did “old veterans (witch is close to a pleonasm in this case) to prove worthy”…i was like : WTF @@ Wha’? ><
    Well, anyway. we all did this for players and some of us still have the core to upload it again…
    After more than 2 weeks while forum was down, i saw a slightly spped improvement and i said "graz" till I saw the effect …this is far from "i was kissing someone ass"…
    And when I posted my msg i also gave a link to someone. At that time the link to guides was working (was previously checked by me to see if i gave the guy the correct RTD class guide) and the "incident" occured between the time interval of my post and the first "omg where is…" post…

    • I agree that the community is the one to benefit from those guides, that is why I reconsider to post mines again or pm a moderator to repost them.

  4. I think Historian still, has not thought about the legal side of the problem. You scored some interesting sed. If Acclaim enter in a trial, for various reasons and will require some evidences from forum…big trouble.

    About those who pass by on forum and praises the ‘supreme god’. Historian, as something incomprehensible, I will not comment, I will say it is the age or do it to obtain advantages. I believe that the world of 9d is sick of what’s happening and wants a radical change.

  5. a guides that some ppl worked hard to make them , think of the ways to write them and the ss they made and theyre wasted time went down the sewer ….

  6. I do not understand how these people, like VGM Kami, who did nothing have the nerve to give indications and to tell veterans, what to do and how to do it. The question is: we still have veterans on 9d forum ? most have left or after I see it, are banned because of showing Acclaim true face.

    Too bad, their knowledge are now dead.

    • How such people have the nerve, you ask? Well it’s calles “arrogance”. And even if those people know they are just arrogant, nothing more, they call other people arrogant. Why? Because they dont know anything else to say.

  7. After the number of answers of those veterans who made the guides in Historian post, we can see how Acclaim treats the veterans, which is the relationship… Besides warda, an account of 2007, I didn’t seen any other veteran who made a guide to reply.

    Historian first reply begins with ‘we’ and end with ‘I’. So who did it ? ‘We’ or ‘I’ ?

  8. Lately, all end badly for Acclaim. How Sedbona said, is karma. Wink.I think Historian suffered a public humiliation, live this time and showed us he can’t do even his primary job : webmaster of the forum.

    All veterans works is lost, gratz Historian.

  9. I want to see it on Kami, who commented how many guides will do . I’m curious. Let’s see now how many updates guides VGM team will do. I am sure the work will be made by players. VGMs do nothing , just comment with bad taste.

  10. awesome Historian & team. you did a great job! hell no, this sucks. lucky warda, who you drove away is still around. noobs!

    …Maybe next time Historian ‘accidentally’ deletes’ the accounts database …

    maybe he can delete himself.

  11. Loz. What more to say… great pity for veterans and all who worked to guides. Acclaim again exhibits the incredible.

  12. look what VGM serena wrote ^^
    …. good job Trying to make the forum faster.

    But deleting all the guides… It doesnt matter if it was by mistake or not.. I mean sure some ppl have backups (wich is great) but what about the vets that don’t play anymore? They are gone, what they had left were those guides and you remove them.

    They worked really hard on them and now…

    [VGM]Kami wrote:
    Pretty nice… Job nicely done TheHistorian…

    Today, I came from work and guess what, 9D forum wasn’t lagging! xD

    I can only say Thx a bunch, TH lol

    About the guides… Yeah well, that was a downside… Now it’s time to create new and better guides, guys!
    Now, old veterans that are still around can prove what they are worth, hey?

    Good luck, everyone!

    Umm.. I’m sorry but.. I don’t agree with you.. Some guides were very complete, and the people that posted them are gone. How can you make somethig better when it can not be any better?

    Sure they were going to clean the forums deleting more than half of the post but at least making a backup in case something LIKE THIS happened would had been great. OR Letting know ” Hi 9d community, we are going to be making some forum cleaning” So we could have had saved the guides or POSTs we had.

    So just in advance Next time you plane do something like this, make a backup and let the rest know.

    -Serena

    PS: IF my post gets deleted, at least let me know a reason. Thanks in advance.

  13. Let me be skeptical about Serena’s words:
    1. Because the reaction came too late
    2. Serena now post in a position that is not her characteristic.

    I will follow in future her performance. I hope she is doing this for the better of the community.

  14. Seems to me that Histo makes mistake after mistake and the community must pay it. Let’s see how he will contact those veterans and players and make them repost the guides. No chance to do it. His excuses are lame.Clap hands for Histo ! He ruined the community of players work.

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